Cleveland Clinic is fully committed to evidence-based medicine

Cleveland Clinic is fully committed to evidence-based medicine

I wonder what appropriately disciplined means. Anyway, I’m glad that the Cleveland Clinic recognized the danger of having their name associated with anything anti-vax.

The Science Mag article mentioned the increasing popularity of Alternative Medicine and how the Cleveland Clinic isn’t the only big hospital that is offering Alternative Medicine.

Here’s a bit from NPR from a few years ago.

But Is It Medicine? – Northwestern Memorial was one of the first U.S. hospitals to combine conventional medicine with alternative treatments like acupuncture, Reiki, and Chinese herbal remedies. In response to patient demand, a growing number of hospitals in Chicago and across the country are offering such services, but questions remain about their legitimacy. Most have not been scientifically proven to work, which also means they aren’t covered by insurance. Should patients be shelling out of pocket for alternative treatments? And what solution can conventional medicine provide?

Chicago Mag and NPR

https://soundcloud.com/morningshiftwbez/chicagos-northwestern-memorial

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2013/Integrative-Medicine/

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I’ve written before about why it’s so important to correct false information about vaccines. Here’s just one example.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+ChadHaney/posts/iXZme6uNk25

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/01/cleveland-clinic-will-discipline-doctor-who-wrote-antivaccination-column

0 Comments

  1. B Etheridge
    January 9, 2017

    I agree that anti-vax is dangerous. At the same time I would be hesitant to shutdown all alternative-medicine, if for no other reason than that the placebo-effect is real and can actually affect outcomes.

    It’s a balancing act. New medicines and treatments really are discovered from colloquial knowledge and every-day things, lending alternative-medicines the possibility of later legitimacy.

    At the same time, we don’t want people going around swallowing small rocks in the hopes of it aiding in digestion.

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  2. Chad Haney
    January 9, 2017

    Bryce Etheridge, having an open mind is a good thing. So programs that try to leverage any positive effects from alternative medicine are OK in my opinion. Furthermore, when alternative medicine is thoroughly vetted, by places like the Cleveland Clinic and Northwestern University, then those techniques become medicine.

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  3. Lise Bjerregaard Nielsen
    January 9, 2017

    Pretty sure that would cost you your job and quite possibly your medical license here.

    Reply
  4. Jeff Motter
    January 9, 2017

    Children that small shouldn’t take more than one vaccine per day

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  5. Meg L
    January 9, 2017

    A doctor who did that would be struck off (i.e., license revoked) here.

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  6. Chad Haney
    January 9, 2017

    Jeff Motter, where is the data on that recommendation? I don’t see where the CDC recommends only on vaccine per day.

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/downloads/parent-ver-sch-0-6yrs.pdf

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  7. Chad Haney
    January 9, 2017

    Getting multiple vaccines at the same time has been shown to be safe.

    Scientific data show that getting several vaccines at the same time does not cause any chronic health problems. A number of studies have been done to look at the effects of giving various combinations of vaccines, and when every new vaccine is licensed, it has been tested along with the vaccines already recommended for a particular aged child. The recommended vaccines have been shown to be as effective in combination as they are individually. Sometimes, certain combinations of vaccines given together can cause fever, and occasionally febrile seizures; these are temporary and do not cause any lasting damage. Based on this information, both the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices and the American Academy of Pediatrics recommend getting all routine childhood vaccines on time.

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/multiple-vaccines-immunity.html

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  8. Meg L
    January 9, 2017

    Jeff Motter Nonsense. Some vaccines are actually multiple vaccines combined into one shot, like the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine and the diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis vaccine (DTaP). It’s been done for decades. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/conversations/downloads/fs-combo-vac.pdf

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  9. Jeff Motter
    January 9, 2017

    Chad Haney how would like me to give you a hundred vaccines at One Time ?

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  10. Chad Haney
    January 9, 2017

    Jeff Motter​, where is the recommendation from physicians to give 100 vaccines at once, or are you just trying to be dramatic?

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  11. Jeff Motter
    January 9, 2017

    Meg L why do they have Mercury in the vaccines?

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  12. Meg L
    January 9, 2017

    Jeff Motter If you have time to ask the kind of questions you’ve been asking, then you have time to do your own research. Go on, don’t be lazy.

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  13. Chad Haney
    January 9, 2017

    Jeff Motter, you are probably thinking of thimerosal.

    Regarding thimerosal as a preservative in vaccines:

    Furthermore, all new vaccines licensed since 1999 are free of thimerosal as a preservative.

    http://goo.gl/v0KRe

    Yet the rate of autism increases? Where’s the link? There is none.

    https://plus.google.com/+livescience/posts/iqzXqH1eHwC

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  14. Chad Haney
    January 9, 2017

    I’ve added the following link because correcting false information about vaccines is important.

    https://plus.google.com/u/0/+ChadHaney/posts/iXZme6uNk25

    This is just one example.

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  15. Jeff Motter
    January 9, 2017

    More vaccines, More Autism , hmm yeah NO Links what’s so ever !

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  16. Amber Peall
    January 9, 2017

    You realise there’s also more iPhones, more autism… correlation does not necessarily equal causation, Jeff Motter​.

    (And yes, it’s silly. Deliberately so, because there’s the same amount of evidence for YOUR claim.)

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  17. Chad Haney
    January 9, 2017

    Jeff Motter, you have yet to provide a single link to support any of your claims. You clearly aren’t here to have an honest discussion or to learn anything. Unless you can provide a reputable source for your claims, preferably peer reviewed, then I’ll have to block you because you are just distracting this thread.

    Reply
  18. Chad Haney
    January 10, 2017

    Closing comments for now, as I can’t babysit and drive sleep at the same time.

    Reply

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